He was actually very kind. I mean, in the journals when he's writing, he usually seems so stern and serious, but he was very warm and smiled a lot, and in a nice way. And he didn't mind at all when we were chatty, but I think that's because he has children of his own, you know.

And he said the most wonderful things about Ron. Who completely earned every bit of it, but you know how sometimes people don't give people credit even though they ought, and I'm glad Ron got his credit. And Sally-Anne, too. Especially from someone as highly placed as Director Selwyn.